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Fantasy parking garage in OG. Another symptom of OOGPDS.

 

From Linda:

Neptune/CMA clearly missed the boat. Using eminent domain, they could have taken the property from the Jersey Shore Arts Center to Broadway. Then, built a 3 story parking garage with easy access to Route 71. Charge for parking.

Run shuttles to beach and auditorium.

Of course, this paid lot for visitors would  bring in millions of dollars if the visitors were offered no free parking in Ocean Grove, the entire town for resident parking and friends or family of residents (with special passes).

 

Editor’s note:  This sort of idea is nothing new.  Here is a link to a Blogfinger post from 2014 which has something similar to say, only better:

Parking garage at the Arts Center 2014 BF post

 

“RAY CHARLES AND NORA JONES:  “Here We Go Again”

 

 

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Broad Street, Red Bank. 2013. Paul Goldfinger photo. ©

 

By Paul Goldfinger, Editor @Blogfinger

Red Bank has a difficult parking situation downtown, and this has been a major issue for many years. In an article in today’s Asbury Park Press, the problem in Red Bank is described as “terrible.”

There is constant competition for spaces in the White Street lot which can accommodate 273 vehicles.  Merchants are losing money because shoppers from affluent surrounding towns are reluctant to drive to downtown.  Unlike Asbury, Red Bank has no parking garage.

Parking on White Street in Red Bank by Paul Goldfnger ©

There are 1135 meters there, but they are badly out of date and cannot perform the high tech functions seen in other towns such as Asbury where the price can vary according to the time of day and day of week.   Some merchants want a parking garage, but experts say that garages are out of date.  (Did you hear that CMA??)

Red Bank will embark on its first parking study in 20 years, but the idea that creating more spaces is desirable is not such a good plan; instead better use of existing spaces should be emphasized.

Here are a few quotes from that article which is linked below:

www.app.com/story/news/local/red-bank-middletown-area/red-bank/2018/04/26/downtown-red-bank-parking-study/428009002/

APP:  In a sharp break from the “auto-centric” thinking that turned vast stretches of America’s cities and suburbs into paved parking lots, today’s top parking experts are advising cities from Princeton to Pasadena that the solution to their parking problems isn’t to add more spaces, but rather to better manage the spaces they already have.  

(Thank you Home Groaners for their recently added and  dangerous diagonal spots)

““The old paradigm assumes that parking should be abundant and free at most destinations. It strives to maximize supply and minimize price,” he explained. “The new paradigm strives to provide optimal parking supply and price. It considers too much supply as harmful as too little, and prices that are too low as harmful as those that are too high.”

“And, for that matter, why invest tens of millions of dollars on a new downtown parking garage when in the not-so-distant future your self-driving vehicle will be able to just circle the block or park in a remote lot until you’re ready to be picked up?”

In Ocean Grove, Blogfinger has been stressing that the Groaners are hopelessly mislead in finding new parking spaces, when what we need are parking meters, parking permits, and less cars in town.

We need to abolish all but a few giant events which clog the Grove’s existing parking most of the weekends in season. It’s about time that our parking emphasis should be on the residents here whose quality of life is adversely affected by car glut.

Red Bank’s issues are focused on their downtown.  That is what defines them, but OG should fulfill its destiny and master plan by promoting a residential, historic small town for the future.

COUNT BASIE,   who was born in Red Bank.  With JOE WILLIAMS:

 

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Nov 27, 2017, Main Avenue at Firemen’s Park. Note the red vehicle moving into the other lane. Blogfinger photo.

 

TREME BRASS BAND   “Just a Closer Walk With Thee”   (HBO show Treme soundtrack)

 

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A flier in Ocean Grove. 11/26/17

Paul Goldfinger,  Editor @Blogfinger

In recent days these fliers have been appearing on our windshields in town.  They are promoting support for the Neptune township/OGHOA parking plan which is to be presented at the Monday, 11/27  6pm workshop meeting at the Mother Ship.

For some reason those who are distributing the fliers do not identify themselves.  The wording is that of the OGHOA, but it could be anyone. It’s interesting that this attempt at information provides nothing more than the basics that have already been promulgated by the Groaners.   They did not see to it that we all receive a detailed copy of the plan to review in advance.

Do you think the Groaners might be afraid of scrutiny by the public?   Maybe they think you all are too stupid to comprehend, so they will try to spoon feed you some low calorie concepts at the meeting.

The idea seems to be to get a crowd to show up, but all that might do is create an impression of support for the plan to impress the Committee, but it is also possible that in the audience will be those who oppose the plan.

If you want to speak, you may have to wait quite a while, and then you can give a 5 minute speech.  If you ask a question, it’s not likely that they will respond, but you can try.

In our last article, we pointed out that the process of dealing with new plans for parking in the Grove can be complicated–unlike the description on the mystery flier.

We don’t know what will happen at that meeting, but we will let you know afterwards  in case you are home sipping a gin and tonic.

And as for the unknown flier perpetrators, if they are so eager to get us to attend the meeting, why not sign their name??  It seems a bit sleazy.

BRANDI CARLILE     “The Heartache Can Wait.”

 

 

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By Paul Goldfinger, Editor @Blogfinger

Blogfinger has been asking for permit parking for some time. Our articles can be found by using the search box above.   We have posted about 40 articles about parking in the last 5 months.  It is a pivotal topic affecting the lifestyles of the residents of Ocean Grove.

The proposed plan would offer permits to residents, including renters, for a small fee. Anyone with a permit sticker would be able to park anywhere, while others would be denied access to one side of certain (?all)  streets. We don’t know any more details.  This information is from the OGHOA.

There are those who fear that this plan would deny parking for visitors who come into town.

It would be helpful to have some data.  If the plan results in many empty spaces, then it will fail. Remember that many resident cars are out of town at various times.

Would the numbers show that there will be a space for every resident car? If that is the goal, it will fail. A plan would have to provide a reasonable number of resident permit spaces, but a number that is less than the number of permit cars.

So sometimes a resident might not find a special space, but having the residents occasionally compete for the permit spaces is still better than what we have now where the residents compete for all spaces on the same playing field as everyone else including the barbarian Asburian invaders.

Ironically, our last poll on this subject revealed that a substantial number of Grovers oppose such a plan—-I have met some of them.  Many of them worry  that this plan will deprive visitors of parking. Others would not commit because they wanted more details.  The Camp Meeting threatened to sue if the Township passes such a plan.

But every Grover currently has to park somewhere. So whether they are parking in a permit space or a non-permit space, the total number of spaces for them should be the same.

Total spaces in town minus total spaces used by residents equals the remaining spaces for visitors, regardless of a permit plan or not.   But, under permit parking,  those visitors might have to struggle more than residents to find parking, but why worry?    It’s about time that residents get some measure of advantage.

And as for the meter dodgers from over the border, Neptune would do well in reconsidering metered parking, especially at the beach area, downtown and at the North End, with a free pass somehow for residents who are forced to park in a metered space.

It would be great if many citizens attended that meeting on Monday, Nov. 27 at the Mother Ship (Municipal Building on Neptune Blvd; Take 33 to Walgreens and turn right after that onto Davis. The giant medical building will be on your left. Turn right into the parking lot.   (Note: Davis Avenue was closed on Nov 20. Roadwork.)

ELVIS:

 

 

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Meg Baker (CBS News) interviews Joyce Klein* ( foreground) on Jersey Joyce’s porch in Ocean Grove. Overhead is the Bronx Botanical Garden. 5/26/16. © Paul Goldfinger photo.

 

The letter below is from Joyce Klein, Chair of the HOA Parking Committee. She is reporting on an HOA breakfast meeting which was held on Saturday, August 26, 2017.

“To all of you who have made your voices heard about the parking issues in OG at the Township Committee meetings so far–THANK YOU!

“I think that we are making progress. As Committeeman Rob Lane said this morning at the HOA breakfast, “the squeaky wheel gets the grease…..” We need to continue to be the squeaky wheel when it comes to parking. The Camp Meeting’s statement at the last meeting opposing permits and threatening an unspecified law suit can not be met with silence. We need to make it clear to the Township Committee that they should not be cowed by the threat of a frivolous law suit, but should instead implement a pilot permit parking program to see if it works. My prediction is that it will help and will not cause the horrors suggested by the CMA and other naysayers.

“I am hopeful that the Township Committee will see fit to have further discussions of permits and perhaps other parking solutions in the coming weeks.

“So, if you can make it, please try to come to the meeting and speak up for permit parking on Monday night. Feel free to bring your friends and neighbors. For better or worse, we are not a community of spring chickens, so if you can, or you know someone with mobility or health conditions that make walking a distance from one’s car to one’s home difficult, it would be helpful for the Township Committee to hear from those people.

“As always, if you would like me to text you when it is time for the public comment period, let me know and I will do so.

“Thanks again.

“Joyce”

Editor’s note @Blogfinger.  The Neptune Township Committee meeting will be held on Monday, August 28, at 7 pm, Municipal Building.  If you have any spring chickens, bring them along, but no chicken fat please. —–PG

 

*Joyce Klein interview with CBS News

 

JOHN PIZZARELLI    from South Pacific:

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Blogfinger supports resident permit parking, but it has to be done right. © BF flier. July 2017.

By Paul Goldfinger, Editor @Blogfinger.net

February 2017 HOA minutes:   “Parking Committee:   Joyce reported that at the regular meeting of  the Neptune Township Committee scheduled for Monday, February 27,  a resolution to adopt the Township  Committee’s  parking recommendations would be proposed. The recommendations include:  1. Angle parking on one side of Main Street and one side of Central Avenue and 2. Enforcement of the existing commercial parking regulations.”

No mention of permit parking.

April HOA minutes: “Parking report:  Joyce Klein reported that the Neptune Council will have a second  and final reading of the ordinance allowing for the potential addition of about 18 angle parking spots.”

No mention of permit parking.

May HOA minutes:    “Parking:    Richard Williams reported that the striping on Central Avenue is being done; striping at the west end of Main Avenue is yet to be done.”

No mention of permit parking

June HOA minutes : “Joyce Klein provided  an update on parking.  Angle parking has been put in place on Central and Main Avenues, resulting in a net gain of 18 parking spots.  The OGHOA parking committee will resume its efforts to bring about substantive changes to improve the parking situation in Ocean Grove.”

No mention of permit parking

July: no minutes  See link below.

July 8. Blogfinger poll asked if Grovers would support permit parking. 330 votes were cast.    58% said yes, but we suspected that the no votes were inflated.  And it’s hard to vote when the plan details have not been revealed by the Home Groaners. So some skeptics voted no, but if a good plan were conceived, we believe that they will vote “yes.”

July 11: Blogfinger article:   permit parking post by BF 7/11

July 21:  Blogfinger post on this subject:    BF July article about parking fake news

August 12, 2017        Email from Joyce Klein of the HOA:      “I know many have been attending the Township Committee meetings to speak out about the need for permit parking.  We have been effective in keeping the topic front and center and I am hopeful that we will see some action* on parking in the near future.”

(Editor’s note:  “some action* on parking.”  Talk about evasive use of language and fake news. The lack of transparency is evident. The Groaners need to be replaced!)

The HOA brought up the subject of permit parking last  year  (2016),  but when the Committee ignored them, they folded like a cheap camera and jumped on board for the 18 diagonal parking space solution.  There was no further mention of permit parking until recently when they say that they have been “keeping the topic front and center.” More fake news.

At the last Committee meeting the OG Home Groaners Ass. persuaded some Grovers to speak out during the public session, but the HGA never explained to the public what their permit parking plan will be.  Now again, they want the public to make noise at the Committee meeting coming up tomorrow, July 14.

But why should anyone be enthused about the Groaners’ current efforts when they have never made public their secret plan for permit parking?   We know it exists, because we saw it, and the reason they don’t reveal it is because they don’t want any push-back from the citizens.  The OG Home Groaners are like a secret society with its own agendas and they will even try to change history and spread fake news as  you can see above.

Meanwhile, Blogfinger posted 10 articles in the last two months, mostly to push for permit parking.  Just type in “permit parking” in the search block above.   2 of them are linked above.

Here’s an idea:  A Grover told me about the resident permit parking plan in Hoboken which works:

Most streets in Hoboken are designated on one side (the north or west side) as “Resident Permit Parking Only” with a green sign/white letters, and the other side (south or east side) as “Permit Parking Only” with a white sign and green letters. The remaining streets are typically in commercial areas and designated as metered (time limit) parking.

Hows that for looking after number one?

THE BAND PERRY:  “You Lie”

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SUPPORT OG PERMIT PARKING

By Paul Goldfinger, editor and Jack Bredin, reporter/researcher @Blogfinger.net

An estimated 100 Grovers showed up at last night’s Township Committee meeting to support permit parking as one popular solution to the town’s parking problems.

According to our reporter, the Committee was less than enthused about the proposal. They claimed that the idea was floated in the past, and no agreement could be reached. Randy Bishop is said to have previously called this topic “a waste of time.”

Nevertheless, the Township Committee asked their attorney Gene Anthony to prepare the wording for a November non-binding referendum which would be voted on at the next meeting. Anthony said that the issue was complex. There was no talk of a detailed plan; the referendum would be more general.

Evidently the idea of a referendum was floated by the HOA and that idea doesn’t seem so thrilling. Here is what Barbara Burns said about that in a recent email to the HOA members:

“Several members of the OGHOA attended the last Township Committee meeting and spoke up. As a result, on July 10, 2017, the Township Committee will discuss a proposal to place a referendum question on the November ballot, for Ocean Grove only, on whether to institute permit parking.”

The reason that a referendum is not a good idea is that we have to wait until November to take the pulse of voters and also only registered voters could vote on it. We have many homeowners in town who vote elsewhere, so they will be disenfranchised for this parking referendum, while many renters could vote.

In addition,  Burns was evidently wrong when she said that only Grovers would vote on the permit question.  So Neptuners would vote, and they tend to be negative regarding OG’s needs.

The best goal would be for only Grovers to be surveyed on this question, and that could be accomplished if we had a town meeting, perhaps at the Youth Temple, where we could vote on the question and get a more accurate assessment of how residents here feel about. Absentee ballots should be allowed.

The Blogfinger poll may be getting more “no’s” than expected due to renters voting who are worried about their situation. Their roll in all this remains to be seen.

But perhaps the best news of the day is that a large number of concerned residents showed up at the seat of local power to demand, as a group, implementation of permit parking. Hopefully this sort of meaningful concern would happen again as needed.

This is a good sign. If only the HOA would wake up some more from their misguided past history and get more aggressive about certain issues such as Wesley Lake, single family zoning, and the commercialization of the North End.

RICHARD KILEY from Man of La Mancha:

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Double header on Heck. By Moe Demby, Blogfinger staff. Sunday, July 2, 2017 © In the foreground is a motorized chair for the infirm.  A third  neighbor liked the ideas so much, he put out two garbage pails to save a space, and a couple of hours later, the space was there for his girlfriend returning from work as a hospital nurse.  The town was gridlocked, even with the new diagonal parking. But three spaces were blocked on this single block.

Who wants to pay high taxes for this?  Getting fed up yet.? Ready to move to California?  Save our town!

OG residents need to demand immediate relief: permit parking one space for each house. And a lifestyle change with reduced Township permission for massive events  (flea markets, craft markets, car shows/street closures) and demands that all remaining large events provide out of town parking.  And then build a wall to cutdown on freeload parkers who want to go to Asbury Parking mess.

Is it any wonder that Grovers have to resort to the above measures?

It is a disgrace that we can’t find parking in our town. Blogfinger encourages everyone to buy a cone and save a space.  Also hang a sign in your window asking for permit parking.  We hope to have a design for you next week.  Just print in on your home printer and show your true colors.

AL JOLSON

 

Addendum from “Around Town with Jean.”

Jean Bredin. 7/2/17 ©  Ocean Grove.

 

There is so much scarcity in parking spaces  in OG, that I was taken back some coming upon this mysterious structure on Mt. Hermon Way.
I am sure it has a logical purpose.  An extra bedroom for a last minute guest…a cover for smelly garbage cans,…maybe a compost heap…..or just nothing more than a deluxe parking spot saver.

Editor’s note:  Maybe a cover for a motorcycle.  (see comments below)

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