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By Paul Goldfinger, Editor @Blogfinger

Blogfinger has been asking for permit parking for some time. Our articles can be found by using the search box above.   We have posted about 40 articles about parking in the last 5 months.  It is a pivotal topic affecting the lifestyles of the residents of Ocean Grove.

The proposed plan would offer permits to residents, including renters, for a small fee. Anyone with a permit sticker would be able to park anywhere, while others would be denied access to one side of certain (?all)  streets. We don’t know any more details.  This information is from the OGHOA.

There are those who fear that this plan would deny parking for visitors who come into town.

It would be helpful to have some data.  If the plan results in many empty spaces, then it will fail. Remember that many resident cars are out of town at various times.

Would the numbers show that there will be a space for every resident car? If that is the goal, it will fail. A plan would have to provide a reasonable number of resident permit spaces, but a number that is less than the number of permit cars.

So sometimes a resident might not find a special space, but having the residents occasionally compete for the permit spaces is still better than what we have now where the residents compete for all spaces on the same playing field as everyone else including the barbarian Asburian invaders.

Ironically, our last poll on this subject revealed that a substantial number of Grovers oppose such a plan—-I have met some of them.  Many of them worry  that this plan will deprive visitors of parking. Others would not commit because they wanted more details.  The Camp Meeting threatened to sue if the Township passes such a plan.

But every Grover currently has to park somewhere. So whether they are parking in a permit space or a non-permit space, the total number of spaces for them should be the same.

Total spaces in town minus total spaces used by residents equals the remaining spaces for visitors, regardless of a permit plan or not.   But, under permit parking,  those visitors might have to struggle more than residents to find parking, but why worry?    It’s about time that residents get some measure of advantage.

And as for the meter dodgers from over the border, Neptune would do well in reconsidering metered parking, especially at the beach area, downtown and at the North End, with a free pass somehow for residents who are forced to park in a metered space.

It would be great if many citizens attended that meeting on Monday, Nov. 27 at the Mother Ship (Municipal Building on Neptune Blvd; Take 33 to Walgreens and turn right after that onto Davis. The giant medical building will be on your left. Turn right into the parking lot.   (Note: Davis Avenue was closed on Nov 20. Roadwork.)

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Meg Baker (CBS News) interviews Joyce Klein* ( foreground) on Jersey Joyce’s porch in Ocean Grove. Overhead is the Bronx Botanical Garden. 5/26/16. © Paul Goldfinger photo.

 

The letter below is from Joyce Klein, Chair of the HOA Parking Committee. She is reporting on an HOA breakfast meeting which was held on Saturday, August 26, 2017.

“To all of you who have made your voices heard about the parking issues in OG at the Township Committee meetings so far–THANK YOU!

“I think that we are making progress. As Committeeman Rob Lane said this morning at the HOA breakfast, “the squeaky wheel gets the grease…..” We need to continue to be the squeaky wheel when it comes to parking. The Camp Meeting’s statement at the last meeting opposing permits and threatening an unspecified law suit can not be met with silence. We need to make it clear to the Township Committee that they should not be cowed by the threat of a frivolous law suit, but should instead implement a pilot permit parking program to see if it works. My prediction is that it will help and will not cause the horrors suggested by the CMA and other naysayers.

“I am hopeful that the Township Committee will see fit to have further discussions of permits and perhaps other parking solutions in the coming weeks.

“So, if you can make it, please try to come to the meeting and speak up for permit parking on Monday night. Feel free to bring your friends and neighbors. For better or worse, we are not a community of spring chickens, so if you can, or you know someone with mobility or health conditions that make walking a distance from one’s car to one’s home difficult, it would be helpful for the Township Committee to hear from those people.

“As always, if you would like me to text you when it is time for the public comment period, let me know and I will do so.

“Thanks again.

“Joyce”

Editor’s note @Blogfinger.  The Neptune Township Committee meeting will be held on Monday, August 28, at 7 pm, Municipal Building.  If you have any spring chickens, bring them along, but no chicken fat please. —–PG

 

*Joyce Klein interview with CBS News

 

JOHN PIZZARELLI    from South Pacific:

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Ocean Grove beach front. January, 2015.  Of course everybody wants to visit the Grove and park  here, but those who live here deserve special attention.   Photo by Bob Bowné. © Special to Blogfinger

 

By Paul Goldfinger, MD,  Editor @Blogfinger.net.     Note: Please read the comments below.

 

 

Today a letter was posted in the Coaster (Nov. 22, 2017) from the new President of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association, Michael Badger.  He did not send it to Blogfinger, so I am going by the Coaster version.  As you recall, the CMA recently threatened to sue the Township if the permit parking plan was implemented.

But this letter, by Michael Badger, which quarrels with the plan, assumes the details of the plan when it has not yet been shared with the public.  His aggressive and totally negative stance, it seems to me, is premature since the Township won’t present the plan until Nov. 27.

At that Township meeting at 6 pm Committeeman Carol Rizzo will  present the proposal at a workshop session,  however  if you want to speak, you have to wait for the public portion, perhaps hours later, although the agenda doesn’t seem very long.

But Badger’s letter is, in of itself,  obnoxious because many of its assertions are not based on any data or facts, and the straw men that he brings up are designed to alarm and distract us all.

Below is a point by point discussion by Blogfinger  about most of what Badger  says in his Coaster letter:

 

He opens with this message, “The plan will create more problems than existed originally.”

  1. The motives of the CMA, in objecting to the plan, are disingenuous, because Badger  never mentions that the CMA is worried about parking for their religious programming which is becoming progressively more active including a year round presence.
  2. “The plan suffers from exclusivity.”  He is upset that only OG residents could get a permit.  Well, yes—that’s the point of it all.
  3. “Turning away our neighbors is not the solution.”  Fake news!  No one would be turned away; but they may have to work a bit harder to find parking. And what “neighbors” is he referring to?
  4. He is worried about the “expense.” He thinks that “$60-$90 for the first year, with renewal fees annually is cause for concern.”   Is he really worried about the “expense?”    So far no one else has even mentioned a price tag.
  5. He is worried because some open permit spaces might sometimes result. He says that this is “inefficiency.”  If the plan has been developed by experts, this should be a minimal issue.
  6. He says, “The plan creates an unsustainable burden for the lodging community.” He is referring to hotels.  This assertion is based on what?  It sounds like fake news.
  7. Policing this service is “a poor use of police time.”  Since when is the CMA worried about that?  If Neptune passes the plan they can figure how to enforce and finance the program just as they do for everything in Neptune.
  8. A “significant source of the OG parking problem is the result of neighboring municipalities.” He seems to think that talking to Asbury Park will get results. He is clueless. They already have rejected the idea of helping us.

 

  1. Here are  some of the straw men:  “The plan will hurt businesses; it will discourage visitors; it will be unsustainable for hotels;  it will cost residents money; it will burden law enforcement; it will create more problems than existed originally;  and the plan will be “bad for residents.”   Yikes!!
  2. And, the ultimate straw man:  “The CMA vision is for Ocean Grove to be the seaside community which welcomes all generations.   The proposed pilot program clashes with our welcoming vision.”   But what about the vision of those who actually live in this town—the real community of Ocean Grove?
  3. And another assertion that flies in the face of reality and gets the summer problem totally wrong:     “Residents enjoy the shore 365 days a year. A year round parking restriction seeks to fix a problem which is acute only 10-12 weekends a year. Shouldn’t we share God’s beautiful ocean with others for at least the summer weekends?

BF:   “What???”

We have covered what Badger said, including his bringing God into the discussion, but he forgot to notice that the residents/community of Ocean Grove, have a problem that needs fixing and that they deserve some help as well.

He has mentioned all the factions that might be affected by the plan except for those who actually live here, spend the most time here, pay taxes here, keep up our Victorian homes here (which the tourists love) and develop a life style here.

And he doesn’t accept any responsibility on the part of the CMA to do something themselves about parking for religious tourists.

 

January 25, 2025:   This parking permit issue has been going on at least since 2017.  This post gives those of you who are still engaged regarding this topic some perspective.

 

KELLI O’HARA:    Original Broadway cast of Nice Work If You Can Get It.  “But Not For Me.”   A theme song  for residents of OG.

 

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