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This lucky bug sits contentedly in a rare OG driveway. Don't be rude and block his egress, or his people will be very mad. Paul Goldfinger photo. Undated. ©

This lucky bug, Mr. Blue,  sits contentedly in a rare OG driveway. Don’t be rude and block his egress, or his people will be very mad.  His theme song, by the Fleetwoods,, is below  Paul Goldfinger photo. Undated. ©

By Paul Goldfinger, Editor@Blogfinger.net

 

This conversation was begun in the context of storm news, as a snow storm hit Ocean Grove on January 27, 2015.  Comments are posted  chronologically here instead of the usual location.   Editing might be required for clarity, grammar, spelling, and sanity.

Mr. Right   Jan. 27, 2015 —–“Something needs to be said about parking etiquette. If one neighbor spends 30 minutes digging his car out only for his **#$@% neighbor to pull into that spot as soon as he leaves, that is wrong! In the past, diggers have placed garbage cans, etc. to hold their spot, and as far as I am concerned, that is perfectly ethical to do, even though the police will not back you up if someone removes the can and parks there anyhow.”

Marie Coppinger. Jan. 27, 2015—-   “May I comment on “parking etiquette”? I have been in O.G. for many years and this comes up every year. These are public streets. You cannot “hold” a parking space just because you shoveled it out. How would I know who shoveled any given space? And if I do park in my neighbor’s spot, it is because some one has parked in the space I recently shoveled. Let’s be reasonable.” 

Blogfinger.  Marie is correct that this topic has appeared before, but some subjects are worth rehashing.  Here is a link to July 2013 when there were many comments about this subject.   holding spaces link

Plump Mike.  Jan 28.   “I guess Mary took her neighbor’s parking spot. If each homeowner took the time to dig out one space near their home, making it easy to enter and exit, then this wouldn’t be as much an issue. It’s  a shame that OG taxpayers don’t have a space reserved for each home like they have in many north Jersey towns. If you could dig out your space, it would be there for you when you get home from the grocery store.  Taxpayers should get a break from the town on the parking situation, especially in the winter where it can be a hardship to walk four blocks in the cold.” 

Pam.  Jan 28.  “It is a shame that as tax payers we aren’t entitled to one parking spot. Nevertheless my husband and I try to show courtesy to our neighbors even in the summer and other seasons. We try very hard to park in the same spots every time thus leaving spots free for our neighbors to park in front of their houses.

“I wish something could be done for our OG elderly who should be able to park in their spot. It’s hard for them to have to carry groceries or maneuver in the snow if their car is a ways from their houses; and they shouldn’t have to search for a parking spot during the height of the summer. If only a little civility could be shown to our neighbors and the elderly. Then we could get busy figuring out a way to provide parking for tourists and for those owning commercial trucks so they don’t take our spots away.”

Mary Lou.  Jan 28.  “We are all pretty respectful of each others “parking territory” on my street. I like to park in the usual space nearest to my front door because I leave for work at 6 am in the morning. On a dark, icy winter morning, I appreciate the fact that I have a short distance to get to my car. During the summer, I don’t care if I’m parked at a distance.”

Doubting Thomas.  Jan 28.  This reminds me of internet etiquette, which is still evolving.  Rules of politeness  must be written down and acknowledged by most civilized citizens if they are to be honored, but such rules don’t exist for Grovers with snow drifts.  So we must rely on the instincts of residents who perhaps have certain values in their DNA, or, at, least in their subconscious where common themes exist based on our culture.  Having said that, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, because the NTPD won’t get in the middle of this unless there is blood on the snow.

Embury Resident.   Jan. 29.     This is intended for the parking etiquette conversation. I have a driveway and only come down on weekends. I try to be a good neighbor and pay someone to clean my (empty) driveway & sidewalk after a snow fall. I did this yesterday. He cleaned everything, only to call me today to let me know that one of my “neighbors” threw all the snow he shoveled from his property onto my driveway. Not very neighborly.

Paul Devine.  Jan. 30.  I am not in OG many weekends in the winter. Without reserved spots neighbors are able to use the spot which eases parking for our wonderful neighbors. I do agree that something should be done with cars that are warehoused on the street and not used.

Jo Ann Marino. Jan 30.   Homeowners in Lavallette who do not have a driveway pay an annual fee to the town for a designated parking space on the street near or outside their home. A win win situation.

Paul Goldfinger.  Jan 30.  Jo Ann—There are a number of constituencies in Ocean Grove including tourists, homeowners, renters, merchants and others.  The group that is ignored in this conversation are the homeowners who live here year round or part time. They have been ignored as far as the parking situation is concerned.  I totally agree that we too should receive a reserved space in front of our homes. This is a common solution around the state of New Jersey.

Wisher. Feb. 1—I am bothered that few people shovel. Now ice and snow have solidified around cars, and cannot be removed. So instead of winter in New England, the scene looks more like Arctic Station Ocean Grove.  There are many able-bodied hipsters renting in my Asbury Ave. neighborhood with nice cars and no shovel. Out of the whole two blocks around me, it was just me and another older guy shoveling our spaces. Then we pull out, and someone is there in the space when we get back.

It is a shame because it is great exercise and a way to meet people through simple acts of kindness.

 

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From the Neptune Township Committee meeting  minutes on January 8.  Only 3 committeemen were present.

REGARDING PERMIT PARKING:  (excerpts of the minutes)

“DR BRANTLEY  stated that he could support moving forward with the permit parking proposal. Parking is a free commodity and the Committee needs to find a way to better manage this commodity. He suggested working with Asbury Park on this issue.”

“COMMITTEEMAN LANE commended Ms. Rizzo for the proposal. He stated that he could not move forward with permits at this time. He is concerned with all the residents. Permits will not decrease the number of people parking in Ocean Grove and then walking to Asbury Park. The Committee will be talking to Asbury Park on this issue.”

“MAYOR WILLIAMS stated that he was a member of the Parking Task Force. There are still unanswered questions about permit parking. There were good comments received on December 21st but there are a lot of questions including eligibility of Neptune Township residents who do not reside in Ocean Grove, how would the permits be handled at Town Hall, and how much staff would be needed.   He recommended not to move forward with the permit parking plan.”

PUBLIC COMMENTS:

“JOAN VENEZIA, 107  Mt. Hermon Way, stated that the parking decision should have been postponed until Ms. Rizzo is present. She asked the Committee how the Township will manage parking and what are the reasons why permit parking will not move forward. The Committee indicated that they would discuss the matter with Asbury Park.”

“Mr. Lane stated that permits would be a hardship to tourism and most do not want permits. Mayor Williams mentioned legal liability and the outstanding issue whether everyone in Neptune Township would be eligible for a permit.”

“BARBARA BURNS, 4 Ocean Avenue, stated that in regards to permit parking, the Committee  provided statements without evidence and no discussion. The Committee needs to get answers to any questions they have and it is not acceptable to give up. Parking is not free, there is a cost in lost time and opportunity. Unanswered questions are not a reason to not go forward. The Mayor stated that the proposal on December 18th was totally different from the proposal that they had for months.”

“Dr. Brantley stated that the Committee will not abandon the idea of looking for solutions. We will talk to Asbury Park and use their expertise”

“RAY DEFARIA, 12  New York Avenue stated the Parking Task Force did a very extensive review. Ocean Grove was founded on inviting people to come, not to keep people out.  The Ocean Grove Homeowners Association, who is supporting permits, has about 200 members but 3100 people live year round in Ocean Grove. The Committee made a hard decision, but a good decision.”

 

Editor’s note: The mayor refers to “eligibility of Neptune Township residents  who do not reside in Ocean Grove.”   This suggests that the Mayor is out of touch with the reason for a permit plan.

And,the opinions put out by Committeeman Lane  that “a permit plan would be a hardship to tourism and most do not want permits” are two unsubstantiated fake news remarks unworthy of a high Township official.

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Cookman Avenue summer of 2015. We also photographed this trio  heading back to OG across the New Jersey Avenue bridge.  ©

The night life over in A.-Park-By-The-Sea and don’t forget your credit cards. Paul Goldfinger photo. 2016 ©  Click to enlarge.

 

Scene:   The coffee bar at Ocean Wegman’s.  Two employees are discussing what they did the day before

He:  “Yesterday I went to Asbury Park to take a walk on the boardwalk.  I parked in Ocean Grove because they have free parking.  Most other shore towns, except maybe Spring Lake, have meters.”

She:  “I know.  I do the same thing.  The Asbury meters can get expensive at $2.00 or more per hour.”

 

Editor’s note:  About 6 months ago we reported that Asbury employees such as restaurant workers  are intentionally going straight to Ocean Grove for parking, especially at the north end near Wesley Lake and behind the Windmill.  From there they walk a few blocks to work by crossing the access bridge nearby.

This has proven to make parking an even bigger issue for those of us who live in that part of the Grove. We live near that access bridge and we  often see visitors, mostly 20 and 30 somethings, pile out of a  car, often trailing suitcases, as they head for the New Jersey Avenue bridge to A.Park.   And there are large numbers who, heading for dinner out or bar hopping, do the same thing except without the suitcases. And then they come back late and loud.

This is a new and growing situation which we first reported on in 2015.

The conversation above indicates that the knowledge about free parking in OG has spread to a wider circle of parking manipulators.

Here is a link to the night life in A. Park  post written last year on Blogfinger,  and it is a must re-read:

NY Times says AP is “reborn.”

NICKI MINAJ  “The Night is Still Young.”  But Nicki, can’t you keep it in A. Park? We’re sleeping in Ocean Grove.

“The night is still young
The night is still young
The night is still young
And so are we.”

 

—-PG

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This is what the north side of Main Ave. looks like with diagonal parking. this scene is near NJ Avenue, and the new plan will extend this to Lawrence Avenue. Jean Breding photo, Blogfinger staff.©

This is what the north side of Main Avenue   looks like currently with diagonal parking. This scene is near New Jersey Avenue, and the new plan will extend this to Lawrence Avenue.  Jean Bredin photo, Blogfinger staff.© 2/16/17.

 

This is the north side of Main Ave. along the edge of Firemen's Park. Imagine it clogged with diagonally parked cars. ©

This is the north side of Main Ave. along the edge of Firemen’s Park. Imagine it clogged with diagonally parked cars. © Jean Bredin photo; Blogfinger staff. 2/16/17.

 

By Paul Goldfinger, Editor @Blogfinger.net

In a Coaster article (Jan. 25, 2017) it was reported that the Township Committee approved “almost 100 new parking spaces”and that the Committee was “acting on recommendations presented by the ad hoc OG Parking Task Force.”  That task force has members on it from the OGHOA.

The plan includes creating diagonal head-on parking on the north side of Main Ave. from New Jersey Ave. to Lawrence Ave. The same is planned on the west side of Central Avenue from Heck to Webb avenues.

But diagonal parking is ugly. The “new spaces” are created by cramming more cars into a given space where currently there is parallel parking. Diagonal parking may be OK for commercial areas, but in residential areas it is not suitable.

On Main Avenue, starting from the eastern edge of Firemen’s Park and heading west, the diagonal parking will look congested and will visually and actually narrow Main Avenue. Currently that portion of the Avenue has an impressive and welcoming boulevard look.

For visitors who come into our historic town, they will not enjoy the same openness that currently shows off the Grove at its best with historic homes and a lovely park.   In addition the town will lose one of the few places where a bus or truck can legally pull over and give some respite for the drivers to get their bearings or have a coffee.

As for how our leaders feel about this idea, here are two quotes borrowed from the Coaster:

Deputy Mayor Nick Williams, a member of the Township’s parking task force said, “We are going to move forward with these recommendations, and I think the task force did a good job.”

Resident Joyce Klein who is a member of the OGHOA and chairman of their parking committee said, “This is a great start*  but I hope to think that this is the beginning and not the end of the parking study.” She is also on the task force.

So we will get some more spaces, but we don’t need more congestion and density as the price to pay in our residential areas while the town continues its slide downhill.  The policy makers think that this will be wonderful, but do you think these task force people are doing the right thing?

It seems that they believe that all Grovers care about is parking and that we will accept any new spaces no matter the price.   Do you think the task force gave any consideration to the appearance of our town—–how about  the more important variables such as air, space and light?   How about our quality of life?

This plan of squeezing more cars onto our streets fits in with the worrisome current pattern of more condos,  more density, and more crowding.  Making more spaces is not necessarily better than leaving those streets alone.

Who is this really helping?–the commercial and real estate interests, or the people who live here?  Help the residents  with parking stickers and do something to reduce the numbers of cars coming into town and the number of town-clogging events that are too often and create temporary paralysis for OG tax payers. Or build a parking garage somewhere.

This plan will be implemented by Memorial Day. Other ideas are also being considered, including even more diagonal parking on other parts of Central Avenue.

When it comes to policies that hurt our historic town,  if no one complains, they will soon do it again:

MARILYN MONROE   “Do It Again.”

 

 

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Photo Paul Devine in Allenhurst

Photo Paul Devine in Allenhurst

Paul,

While riding our bikes in Allenhurst today my wife and I came across the solution to Ocean Grove’s parking problem. Apparently, winners of the car raffle have a designated spot.
How creative.

Paul Devine, Citizen reporter

Editor’s note:  If only our town would pass an ordinance to take special care of OG home owners.  But Neptune  (the town, not the planet) seems to have little interest in our issues; so, even if breaking up is hard to do, perhaps we citizens should take another shot at seceding from the Township ;  we could even merge with Allenhurst.  Or we could become the northern part of Palm Beach.

NEIL SEDAKA  (who once got out of a limo in front of the Great Auditorium and revealed himself to be four feet tall.)  But he put on a fine concert including this song about secession (comma, comma):

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No curbcut - no driveway - no garage - NO PROBLEM. Just jump the curb and park in your yard - also know as the historic setback!! Bear

#1      Says Bear

, “No curb-cut – no driveway – no garage – NO PROBLEM. Just jump the curb and park in your yard – also know as the historic setback!!”   Bath Avenue at Ocean Avenue,  OG.     8/19/16  ©  Neptune PD traffic vehicle spotted around town.

Gail Morrell photo 8/20/16 ©

#2      Gail Morrell photo 8/20/16 ©    Says Gail: 

“Mr. Henry parks here most days when, we assume,  he is working in town. In fact,the truck remains overnight as well as now spending the weekends. He has clued in the owner of the next truck, who also remains all weekend. These guys commute from elsewhere to these vehicles. One sign says Manchester.  They are at Central between Surf and Atlantic facing Founders Park.”  A new piece added to the parking puzzle.

#3      From the front lines of the parking wars in Ocean Grove we hear from Paul Devine:

“Blogman- Upon returning to the Grove at 7:30 pm, parking proved to be elusive. After driving up many streets we saw someone getting into at van on Abbott near Pilgrim. We politely waited for the space when a passenger placed two cones on the street as he was pulling out. I asked him why he did that, he ignored my query and drove away.

The people sitting on the porch in front of the “coned” space informed me that it was their next door neighbor and not them who encumbered the space. The cones even had a house number on them, which corresponded with the house next door.

I removed the cones, placed them on the sidewalk in front of the house matching the number and parked in the space.

Hopefully, the car will not be vandalized by the illegal “coner”.

Talk about chutzpah!”

Editor’s note:

Here is a link to a 2013 BF post on this subject with over 30 comments:

https://blogfinger.net/2016/01/17/letter-to-editor-blocking-parking-spaces-2/

 

GEORGE STRAIT

 

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You are all aware of the king-size vehicles that people drive these days. This truck does not have commercial plates. Blogfinger photo

You are all aware of the king-size vehicles that people drive these days. This truck does not have commercial plates. The size of the vehicles will impact the availability of parking spaces.     If we and everyone coming into town  all drove scooters or Smartcars……… Blogfinger photo 8/9/16

 

Creative parking: This cyclist parked last week so that no one could squeeze in behind. He succeeded until busy Sunday. Blogfinger photo.

Creative parking #1: This cyclist parked last week  so that no one could squeeze in behind. He succeeded until busy Sunday morning  8/14/16.  (see below). Blogfinger photo.

 

 Who wins? Who loses this game of moans? Blogfinger photo. Sunday

Creative parking #2. Who wins? Who loses this game of moans? Who gets the ticket?   Blogfinger photo. Sunday

 

Desperation on Sunday after the first awkwardly parked vehicle left. If only the cycle had moved over more in the first place., either to the yellow line, or further away. 8/14/16 ©

Creative parking #3. Desperation on Sunday after the first awkwardly parked vehicle left. If only the cycle had moved over more in the first place, either to the yellow line, or further away. 8/14/16 ©

 

Pat Ralston describes this commercial vehicle which she says has been warehoused next to her house for 8 months and now has an expired sticker

This is the  commercial vehicle which Pat Ralston says (see her comments) has been warehoused next to her house for 8 months and it also has an expired sticker.

 

Main Avenue Aug. 10, 2016. Blogfinger photo ©

Main Avenue Aug. 10, 2016. Blogfinger photo ©

 

From Renee:  "Here's some parking drama for you, Paul...inadvertently created by myself .

From LolaBee: “Here’s some parking drama for you, Paul…inadvertently created by myself .”

This was on my car one evening in early July. My MINI(!) was parked with her rear end just barely hanging out past a crumbled curb cut on Mt. Hermon Way (where I live) by the exclusive paid “parking lot” at the Emporium/C21 where we all have been guilty of having to cut through at times when the garbage or JCP&L trucks are blocking our exit down the street at the Pathway and we have to catch a train.   The struggle is REAL!”

(Editor’s note: Hopefully  LolaBee  will regale us with her “spicy reply.”)

SHEENA EASTON:

“My baby takes the morning train, he works from nine till five and then
He takes another home again to find me waitin’ for him”     But where will she park when they get home?

“He takes me to a movie, or to a restaurant, to go
Slow dancing, anything I want
Only when he’s with me, I catch light
Only when he gives me, makes me feel alright.”

But what if it is a summer Saturday night, and she and her baby have to park at Clancy’s?

As has been pointed out before on Blogfinger, the parking issue is about much more than where we put our car.  It is a lifestyle problem which effects how much we appreciate living in this town; and it is about how our local government cares about special interests which get special attention, but where is some special attention for the residents of Ocean Grove?

And that is why, Shelly, that none of us who favor stickers think that it will solve the parking problems, but it is about the resident getting a modicum of privilege from our elected officials who seem to represent everyone but us.  Take a look at who’s on the parking “task force.”

And finally, if we all were less manipulative and more considerate, the parking situation might improve a bit. And, if the police enforced the laws and the Committee passed some more creative ordinances, that too would help.         Paul Goldfinger @Blogfinger

 

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Autos jammed in on the Saturday of Bridgefest. Delaware Avenue.

Autos jammed in on the Saturday of Bridgefest. Delaware Avenue. Blogfinger photo,  June 25, 2016

Paul:      I’m sad to leave, but on the other hand, logistics in Ocean Grove are not favorable for aging Baby Boomers. It’s unbelievable to me that even Arlington Court, a 55-plus coop complex, has no parking spots for its senior (not me of course!) residents.

One of my neighbors in Arlington told me that she’d invited her elderly (but still driving) mother down to visit but her mother turned her down because she’d have to park too far away. It’s hard to understand why those responsible for development in the town allowed this to happen. It’s a major inconvenience that affects so many aspects of people’s daily lives.

Fran Hopkins

June 26, 2016

Editor’s note:     Do you get far away eyes when this subject comes up?   Here are the Rolling Stones:

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To the Editor:

Has the OGHOA committee on parking submitted their recommendations or report to the OGHOA membership for a vote ?   Is there a written report for the public to read?

The OGHOA once before sent a letter to the RSIS (Residential Site Improvment Standards) Board before the membership voted on its contents. Is this happening again, this time with the Township?

I know that this so called committee incorrectly addressed the RSIS issue with the membership. It was clear that this committee failed to address the fact that the Township has created zoning for OG in violation of law. I know that two attorneys from the OGHOA  and a member of the Township Committee recommended that RSIS, a State mandated law, should be defied.

I am concerned that this committee’s recommendations are designed to encourage and promote the continual violation of law instead of demanding that Neptune Township bring its zoning for OG into conformity with the MLUL (Municipal Land Use Law) and RSIS.

KEVIN CHAMBERS

Ocean Grove, N.J., June 12, 2016

The writer is an Ocean Grove resident and historian. He has been an activist in town for many years, trying to insure lawful and fair zoning policies.

EDITOR’S NOTE:   The OGHOA parking recommendations will be presented to the Township Committee on June 13, 2016, at 5:00 pm,  at the Municipal Building, 2nd floor chamber. The public is invited.   The parking committee did present its findings to the membership, but we have no information as to whether a vote was taken. Perhaps someone from OGHOA wants to clear that up.  (addendum:  see Barbara Burns comment in the comments section; click below )

The Parking Committee report is on their web site at OGHOA.org, under the Parking Committee tab.   Click link below:

Parking Committee

The item below  is brought here from our Wassup section to further clarify and elucidate and provide appropriate music for the forthcoming meeting:

—-Workshop meeting of the Neptune Township Committed will hear a presentation by the HOA Parking Committee on June 13 at 5 pm at Town Hall. But don’t expect to speak or discuss. You can go to the mike for 5 minutes when the entire meeting is done. Bring some knitting and your nonsense meter. If you go, please take notes and send us a concise reports of the the results. (Blogfinger @verizon.net)

Be prepared to rush the dais to demand that the Neptune Township Committed members let you speak. The Home Groaners should be deposed and replaced by a group of White Panthers who will demand FREE parking stickers for home owners or else!

–Theme song for the parking meeting with the Home Groaners:  (with Zero Mostel from A Funny Thing Happened at the Township Meeting)

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Internet photo

Internet photo

The HOA Parking Committee had been reborn about 6 months ago and they began with an online survey.  Some of their findings are posted on their web site, although the actual survey questions have been removed.

But here is a result currently on their website  (OGHOA.org):

“One other notable result is that while very few people are willing to pay for preferential parking within four blocks of their home, a good number are willing to pay between $100 and $300 for some form of preferential parking on the block where they live.”  

So, isn’t that interesting?

The HOA is setting up the discussion by asking taxpayers how much they will pay for preferential parking.   But that’s not the right question.  They should have asked how many taxpayers want the HOA to take a hard line on this and demand some form of  free permit parking.   Where is that statistic?

The HOA needs to get tough with Neptune regarding parking for residents.

And, by the way, parking has been a contentious subject for many years in this town.  In fact, the HOA once had a parking committee which turned out to be a failure.  So don’t expect a quick solution at the meeting, unless the HOA tries to strong-arm a pay-to-play remedy where we offer money to Neptune to  give us what should be provided for free.

Also, do they really expect to solve the parking and the RSIS issues at the same meeting?   We’ll see. Blogfinger will have reporters there, but we would like your feedback if you attend.  Send your observations (with or without your real name) to Blogfinger@verizon.net.

NORAH JONES  and RAY CHARLES   “Here We Go Again.”

 

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