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Photo Paul Devine in Allenhurst

Photo Paul Devine in Allenhurst

Paul,

While riding our bikes in Allenhurst today my wife and I came across the solution to Ocean Grove’s parking problem. Apparently, winners of the car raffle have a designated spot.
How creative.

Paul Devine, Citizen reporter

Editor’s note:  If only our town would pass an ordinance to take special care of OG home owners.  But Neptune  (the town, not the planet) seems to have little interest in our issues; so, even if breaking up is hard to do, perhaps we citizens should take another shot at seceding from the Township ;  we could even merge with Allenhurst.  Or we could become the northern part of Palm Beach.

NEIL SEDAKA  (who once got out of a limo in front of the Great Auditorium and revealed himself to be four feet tall.)  But he put on a fine concert including this song about secession (comma, comma):

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No curbcut - no driveway - no garage - NO PROBLEM. Just jump the curb and park in your yard - also know as the historic setback!! Bear

#1      Says Bear

, “No curb-cut – no driveway – no garage – NO PROBLEM. Just jump the curb and park in your yard – also know as the historic setback!!”   Bath Avenue at Ocean Avenue,  OG.     8/19/16  ©  Neptune PD traffic vehicle spotted around town.

Gail Morrell photo 8/20/16 ©

#2      Gail Morrell photo 8/20/16 ©    Says Gail: 

“Mr. Henry parks here most days when, we assume,  he is working in town. In fact,the truck remains overnight as well as now spending the weekends. He has clued in the owner of the next truck, who also remains all weekend. These guys commute from elsewhere to these vehicles. One sign says Manchester.  They are at Central between Surf and Atlantic facing Founders Park.”  A new piece added to the parking puzzle.

#3      From the front lines of the parking wars in Ocean Grove we hear from Paul Devine:

“Blogman- Upon returning to the Grove at 7:30 pm, parking proved to be elusive. After driving up many streets we saw someone getting into at van on Abbott near Pilgrim. We politely waited for the space when a passenger placed two cones on the street as he was pulling out. I asked him why he did that, he ignored my query and drove away.

The people sitting on the porch in front of the “coned” space informed me that it was their next door neighbor and not them who encumbered the space. The cones even had a house number on them, which corresponded with the house next door.

I removed the cones, placed them on the sidewalk in front of the house matching the number and parked in the space.

Hopefully, the car will not be vandalized by the illegal “coner”.

Talk about chutzpah!”

Editor’s note:

Here is a link to a 2013 BF post on this subject with over 30 comments:

https://blogfinger.net/2016/01/17/letter-to-editor-blocking-parking-spaces-2/

 

GEORGE STRAIT

 

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Autos jammed in on the Saturday of Bridgefest. Delaware Avenue.

Autos jammed in on the Saturday of Bridgefest. Delaware Avenue. Blogfinger photo,  June 25, 2016

Paul:      I’m sad to leave, but on the other hand, logistics in Ocean Grove are not favorable for aging Baby Boomers. It’s unbelievable to me that even Arlington Court, a 55-plus coop complex, has no parking spots for its senior (not me of course!) residents.

One of my neighbors in Arlington told me that she’d invited her elderly (but still driving) mother down to visit but her mother turned her down because she’d have to park too far away. It’s hard to understand why those responsible for development in the town allowed this to happen. It’s a major inconvenience that affects so many aspects of people’s daily lives.

Fran Hopkins

June 26, 2016

Editor’s note:     Do you get far away eyes when this subject comes up?   Here are the Rolling Stones:

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Internet photo

Internet photo

The HOA Parking Committee had been reborn about 6 months ago and they began with an online survey.  Some of their findings are posted on their web site, although the actual survey questions have been removed.

But here is a result currently on their website  (OGHOA.org):

“One other notable result is that while very few people are willing to pay for preferential parking within four blocks of their home, a good number are willing to pay between $100 and $300 for some form of preferential parking on the block where they live.”  

So, isn’t that interesting?

The HOA is setting up the discussion by asking taxpayers how much they will pay for preferential parking.   But that’s not the right question.  They should have asked how many taxpayers want the HOA to take a hard line on this and demand some form of  free permit parking.   Where is that statistic?

The HOA needs to get tough with Neptune regarding parking for residents.

And, by the way, parking has been a contentious subject for many years in this town.  In fact, the HOA once had a parking committee which turned out to be a failure.  So don’t expect a quick solution at the meeting, unless the HOA tries to strong-arm a pay-to-play remedy where we offer money to Neptune to  give us what should be provided for free.

Also, do they really expect to solve the parking and the RSIS issues at the same meeting?   We’ll see. Blogfinger will have reporters there, but we would like your feedback if you attend.  Send your observations (with or without your real name) to Blogfinger@verizon.net.

NORAH JONES  and RAY CHARLES   “Here We Go Again.”

 

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Even the British like to park in Ocean Grove, and cool cars attract even more crowding. Paul Goldfinger photo. Too bad she got in my way. ©

Even the British like to park in Ocean Grove, and cool cars attract even more crowding. Paul Goldfinger photo. Too bad she got in my way. ©

 

Editor’s note: Phillip Orton, Ph.D., a new addition to the pantheon of Grovers, has made some recent comments regarding our piece about the lawsuit at #50 Main Avenue.   Along the way he became interested in the subject of parking in the Grove, especially as it relates to the North End, so we are handing the podium to him for a guest editorial:

 

I should have made it clearer earlier — I am not talking specifically about the case in this post, which is one of law. I’m talking about the broader parking/development issues for Ocean Grove, here.

New developments, or not, Ocean Grove will be saddled with a huge parking problem in summer and especially when there are special events. Has there been much brainstorming about broad solutions to this problem? I presume so, but if so then I’m late to the conversation.

As you and I once discussed, if a North End development goes in with ample parking, there may be traffic problems as it’s a corner of town with poor access. So the solution at North End may not be more parking. And this leads to your very reasonable suggestion that we must have “one unit per lot” instead.

But I think there are many people like me, who would rather see something more reflective of the historical character of the North End area — a hotel, shops, and a bathhouse which were on that site.

Here are some ideas that might make a difference for the parking problem —

Parking permits and special curbside parking spots (with signs) that are only for residents, perhaps one per house, just to make sure everyone has at least one option.

Perhaps during summer and events, there could be parking provided elsewhere in Neptune, and shuttles every 10 minutes (just circling). Seems tough and not like a popular idea, but it might be seen as a better alternative than circling for an hour looking for a spot.

Perhaps there could be some kind of high-profile shuttle to and from the Asbury Park train station, looping to the beach and back. Tiki bar in the back … okay maybe not!

I personally anticipate that the region (Asbury, first) will slowly join the trend that many other medium-density towns in the US are already seeing — a slow movement toward reduced car ownership. Things like car sharing are coming. Uber is already here, and a way for people like me to occasionally do things I can’t do by bike/foot.

A modest investment in the existing rail corridor could greatly improve movement north-south along the shore and bring a lot of excitement and investment in transit-oriented development. I could go on and on …

I have lived and worked in places that are already doing this, for nearly 20 years (Portland, Hoboken). There are many people who want walkable towns and transit-oriented development, and are ready to own 0 or 1 car per housing unit.

This would be a great thing for Ocean Grove, a town of small lots and no driveways that was built before cars, largely around walking and train transportation.

New development could occur, yet parking availability could be improved, if diverse and creative minds get together to problem-solve and come up with some big ideas to take advantage of these trends.

PAUL EVANS:

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This appeared in 2013, so it is fun and timely to post it again..And don’t fail to read the 34 comments.  Do your homework for the HOA parking forum on Jan 23.

Use the BF search engine on the top of the page and search under parking, RSIS, etc.   Don’t let the Home Groaners Board steamroll you with their usual lawyerly, pedantic propaganda.

TO THE EDITOR:

Hi Paul – First I just want to thank you for the amazing job you do. You keep me more informed on Ocean Grove than any other news source available to us here!

I have a question that I believe Blogfinger has touched on in the past…about a problem that seems to have reached new highs (lows?) this year: Blocking parking spots with cones, lawn chairs, human bodies, strollers, flower pots, and/or small children. As I type, someone has placed orange cones in front of my next door neighbor’s house on Asbury Ave (not her — she’s already parked! — it’s another ‘neighbor’ saving a spot for himself).  On Saturday, someone on Main Street was *hauled away in handcuffs* after getting in a verbal altercation with a police officer over the spot she was blocking.  So yeah, it’s getting a little nutty.

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Photo above at Nagle’s on Main Avenue in Ocean Grove. A special moment in the life of our historic town.   2015. By Jean Bredin, Blogfinger staff. ©

One of our goals on Blogfinger, since our beginning in 2009  has been to dispel out-of-date stereotypes about Ocean Grove.  We have been interested in the demographics, life-styles  and dynamics in town, and it has been a fascinating topic since those variables keep changing.

If you all reflect on why you love this town and why it is unique, then perhaps you will take an active interest in what’s going on over at the “mother ship,” ie the Neptune Township Municipal Building which has shown no maternal instincts towards Ocean Grove.

As a result, we have questionable municipal land use decisions including zoning designations, subdivisions, and multi-residential construction approvals without parking. And there is the 800 pound gorilla in the room—the North End Redevelopment Plan.

The next important event on the municipal land use  horizon is the December  17th meeting* of the “streets and parking committee” of the NJ Site Improvement Advisory Board   (SIAB)  where Neptune will try to convince the State committee that the entire town of Ocean Grove should be exempt from state parking  (RSIS) regulations.  The meeting was scheduled after the Neptune planner satisfied all the requirements of the SIAB, after twice being denied because of incomplete applications.

The Township planner will explain that the exemption is needed to preserve Ocean Grove’s  historical integrity.  But those reasons have been contrived and are not true. Let’s see what Neptune has to say this time.

Neptune wants to be awarded a “special area parking standard” so that mandatory off-street parking (RSIS) is no longer required by the State when new construction is done, such as with the building of a condominium project.  Up to now, the Township has ignored the State RSIS parking rules .  If the Township’s request is now granted, Neptune can continue allowing new  construction without disobeying State laws regarding parking.

Since Neptune routinely follows its own ordinances which forbid off street parking,  developers have had a field day in our town building condos or  “community residences”  (as at Mary’s Place)  without parking,  in every location where an old building is ripe for conversion or replacement after a fire, as we saw with prior condos, such as the large one on Ocean Pathway near the Albatross  (a place, by the way, which has developers drooling as they envision condos without parking there.)  Even Committeeman Randy Bishop supposedly wants to turn his small inn into condos.

However, the harsh reality is that whether Neptune wins or loses their request in December in Trenton, the condominium drumbeat will continue, abetted by the Township Committee and the Ocean Grove Homeowners Association.   (*Neptune withdrew that application when they learned that OG citizens would be there to protest.  They never reapplied. We continue the discussion here in 2016/17  for educational purposes.)

Don’t let that Neptune application fool you when they argue that OG is “all built out” and therefore no need to worry about future condos.  On the contrary, there are quite a few potential condo locations around town.   How about the Warrington?   Will that become a hotel without parking, or will it become a flop house without parking, or will it be condos without parking?

We cannot count on property owners to worry about the town the way the Park View’s new owner is promising single family homes over on Seaview Ave.   If he changes his mind and asks the Township to let him build condos, and if they approve  (as they tend to do,) then we will have to change the name of that street.

Since there seems to be no obvious reason for requesting the new designation, we do have to wonder what the motive is for the Township to go after the “special area standard.”  A skeptic might wonder if the State is being hoodwinked into approving the application, because if they do, the North End developers can then manipulate the zoning to cancel the Area in Need of Redevelopment designation at the North End and then trash all plans to include off street parking as currently proposed in the NERP.

So, what is the bottom line?  The only way to prevent Ocean Grove from slipping and sliding into irrelevance is for the citizens to demand that Neptune zoning for all residential districts in the Grove  be changed immediately to detached single family houses and no off-street parking and no curb cuts.    This will eliminate all future land use problems and will increase the numbers of on-street parking spots.

Can that be done?  Yes it can if the HOA and the citizens create a show of force and make that demand loud and clear.  And what about Kevin Chamber’s lawsuit on Main Avenue?    If he wins, then all bets are off.

And as for the lifestyle here. Most of us know what we want the future  Grove to be, and the key is single family zoning. After that the town will be saved.

–Paul Goldfinger, Editor @ Blogfinger.

—Jack Bredin, Researcher

MERLE HAGGARD and the PRESERVATION HALL JAZZ BAND  —sing about losing the blues.

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The Tawdry Sisters of Seaview Avenue. What will developers do to reduce on- street parking over there? Paul Goldfinger photo.

The Tawdry Sisters of Seaview Avenue. What will developers do to reduce on- street parking over there if RISS is canceled for the Grove?   People of Seaview: get out the pitchforks and torches.     Paul Goldfinger photo. ©

By Paul Goldfinger, Editor @Blogfinger.net  Quotes from the application:

  1.  RSIS regulations indicate that special areas are warranted to recognize the need for preservation and/or enhancement of community character and sense of place in a given municipality.  (pg 1)
  2. This application….seeks relief from RSIS standards in an overall effort to balance the needs of residents, visitors and public safety with the unique challenges of maintaining a Federal and State Historic Designation coupled with the unique and historic patterns of development that comprise Ocean Grove as a whole. (pg 2)
  3.  The Ocean Grove Historic District is comprised of over 3,000 homes, the overwhelming majority of which are still owned by the OGCMA.   (p 3  sic)
  4. A quote from the Master Plan:  “…encouraging new construction that is compatible in scale and design to the physical character of the surrounding neighborhood.”
  5.  The sidewalks and the curbing are not maintained by the Township, with the exception of the medians and curbing on medians along Broadway. Otherwise, sidewalks and curbing are maintained by the OGCMA  (sic page 13)
  6. A shuttle service is now provided on Saturdays for people who attend Saturday night events in the Great Auditorium to help mitigate the increase in demand for parking  (sic p 17)
  7. Regarding the NERP. “The Township has effectuated a Redevelopment Agreement with the OGCMA.”
  8. In consideration of the historic designation standards, lack of vacant land and the overall Township goal of preserving the historic patterns of development in Ocean Grove, the existing density in Ocean Grove is projected to remain relatively constant, due to the fact that OG is essentially built-out  (p 24)
  9. Strict compliance with RSIS parking requirements would result in a net loss of parking spaces with in OG.  The loss of on- street parking would change its fundamental character and historic development pattern, have a detrimental effect on those residents living in Ocean Grove , and may result in the loss of the Federal Historic District Designation that OG has maintained for decades.  (p 27)
  10. It is estimated that there are approximately 1.38 potential on-street parking spaces per occupied unit (ie house or condo). This potential inventory adequately addresses the parking need, given that the average number of vehicles per household in the 2010 census is 1.5 vehicles. (p 30)
  11. Neptune Township has worked in concert with the OGCMA to continue to ameliorate parking issues within Ocean Grove. (p 31)

DREAM ON—It’s the Marvelous Wonderettes:

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An A.Park meter.  Photo by the Asbury Park Sun.

An A.Park parking meter. Photo by the Asbury Park Sun.

By Paul Goldfinger,  Editor@Blogfinger

A representative of Desman Associates, parking experts from New York City, told a meeting of A. Park citizens that the good news is that they have a parking problem, and the bad news is that they have a parking problem.    This refers to Asbury’s success in attracting new businesses such as the Festhalle and Biergarten which seats 269 in the beer hall and 450 on their rooftop deck.

Asbury Park has metered parking, parking garages and lots around town.   They also issued about 1200 parking permits to residents and businesses last year. Those permits made residents happy, especially since they only cost $30.00 per year, and so many were sold that there were more permits than available permit spaces.

The consultants were assessing a variety of parking related issues such as the shortage of spaces for people who want to go to restaurants, beaches, boardwalk, and businesses, especially in season and on weekends.

One of their solutions was to raise the price of a permit to $1,200.00 per year. Yikes!  Since each meter earns $135.00 per month, the City needs to discourage permits and raise permit prices to improve the financial math and make more public spaces available.  The City has not finalized its response to the study.

But at least Asbury Park is responding to the concerns of their citizens, and their public officials are willing to spend money on research and then to wrestle with the problem.

We all know about OG’s parking problems, but you can imagine the parking situation if that colossal mistake called the NERP is actually implemented. One thing is sure, there will be no construction, not even a shovel in the ground, until at least all the construction, engineering and environmental permits are obtained.

Hopefully our parking situation will be assessed by a comprehensive parking study done in advance of the NERP start by outside experts who know State law and who will consider the OG Master Plan and the wishes of the town’s residents.   After all we don’t want to be sorry too late.

KAREN ELLISON  with Vince Giordano and the Nighthawks from Boardwalk Empire: “Who’s Sorry Now?”

 

 

 

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Six or seven weeks ago we warned everyone that Neptune Township was seriously cracking down on violators who park in those yellow-striped rectangular no-parking areas at intersections.

Now comes word from an alert reader that the heat is indeed on. Via email she tells us the NPD’s new Parking Enforcement car is “running around town” ticketing people for parking partially within these spaces.

It’s a fire safety issue. Fire fighting equipment can’t turn the corners of Ocean Grove’s narrow streets unless they’ve got space at the intersections.    — CL

This car is legal -- barely. You wouldn't want to push it more than this. Photo by Charles Layton

Here is what the new parking enforcement car looks like. Its sole purpose is to seek out parking violators. Photo by Mary Walton

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